out there that could right now with a fresh and kind of different take on where to take the party. >> and that becomes the question, right? is this going to be a primary about bold ideas and a vision for the future and really about the progressive energy and base and ground swell of the party that bernie, that and elizabeth warren and championing. or will they retreat into some sensibility of we need to go back to yesterday because we need to retreat and regress into what used to be and play it safe. i personally think the democrats will lose if they play it safe. i think it matters we are in a presence right now where the progressive values are at the forefront of the conversation about politics. we can't go back. and, so, i just hope that on the debate stage that the candidates are able to kind of drive that message home so the public can see forward versus backwards. >> we talked a bit about the debates and trump tonight. we haven't talked about the obama legacy.