i give him credit for the efforts he has made. they have been in small rural pockets of south carolina, which will be tough, but i like his speech. it's the right message for south carolina with the majority of democratic voting, and it also showed he is consistent in his message. he has talked about race and african-americans. he has done well here. >> you talked about the potential of white candidates to get through because of a split. the media obviously -- buttigieg has got the attention of the media. they're very enamored with him. he's gotten popular on the talk shows. does that sort of celebrity help him here? >> sure, but it won't get him what he needs, which is votes. it will get him some white