in the iranian government might be able to engineer what objectives were. the other point i'll make is, it's not simply a matter of evaluating an unmanned drone, aerial surveillance versus the possibility that 150 people might be killed. the iranian government is threatening vital international commerce through the strait. i think you have to look at it through that larger context. hopefully he they will dial back their aggressive actions in the strait, in the gulf in light of having been brought to the edge of this and rethink their strategy. we'll have to see. >> mr. secretary, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> jeh johnson joining me here in new york on set go to msnbc.com where you can watch the entire south carolina democratic convention. how many times did lawyers stop hope hicks from answering