united states congress. >> i understand that. you certainly have to go talk to him just so that the people who follow him and respect him wouldn't feel diminished. in the end you've got to do what you've got to do to get stuff done. and i think both as a small business person, i spent 17 years as an entrepreneur and a small business person, you learn different skills of negotiation and you build relationships in ways that other people don't. look at tip o'neal and ronald reagan. they hated each other at first, right? they were at each other's throats and in the end over a period of time they came to know each other and they got big things done. >> right. but tip o'neal and ronald reagan, my colleague wrote a very good book about this, that i'd remedy. it's a different political era. the polarization of the parties hasn't settled in. southern democrats who are traditionally conservative. there are all sorts of structural things in 30 years that have changed. i think the argument on the people on the other side of the debate has is if you go into these polarized politics thinking with a 1984 model, you're going to get the floor wiped with you. >> i'm not using that model. i'm using the model of human
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