aggressive efforts of gathering information to undermine democrats in the united states. gulini has previously talked with law enforcement and government officials in ukraine about the dnc claims and about hunter biden who served on the board of a ukrainian gas producer while his father was vice president. frank, is the thinking here that if they to this in plain sight it will make it somehow more right or it will help normalize the notion of the russians hacking into our election? >> boy, we are headed into an entirely dangerous zone in terms of what future campaigns are going to look like ifs in where we are going. you know, remember these are the same folks who screamed bloody murder when they discovered that in some part the opposition research, the dossier, the famous christopher steele dossier might have been used in part for spread casing for investigation now they are doing