more dark blue than red. she is somebody who would be vulnerable from a personal point of view to betray. >> people close to the president, no one expects hope hicks to do that. >> we're putting it through the wrong potato masher. you don't have to turn on the president. she's already told the truth. she told the truth in page after page of the mueller report. her choice is not whether to turn on the president but tell the truth before congress. >> do it publicly versus privately. >> let me bring in representative swalwell. i teased you on the phone. the house judiciary committee issued subpoenas for annie donaldson, don mcgahn's chief of staff and hope hicks. tell us what you think the response will be. >> good afternoon, nicolle. these are front row witnesses to a double digit obstructer. bob mueller and his team laid out at least 10 instances the