win the white house without winning pennsylvania. trump understands the greatest threat is joe biden in the rust belt. you look at pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan, those three states were decided by less than 100,000 votes in 2016 and i would argue, i think one of the arguments i would make to the trump team i don't think the philadelphia machine was fired up. i don't think the detroit machine was fired up. i don't think the milwaukee machine was fully fired up. i don't think that's the case in 2020. donald trump understands he has to get up there. he has a message. it's very hard to beat an incumbent president running on a very strong economic record which donald trump is going to run on. >> you all like to make this about the economy. i would remind you while the economy is doing some for other it's not doing well for others. those voters you talk about in those states, white working class and black working class