more about his relationship to kilmnik. to explain more about what was going to happen to the polling data and you mention his relationship to the oligarch deripaska whose name hasn't come up in any of the trials this far and it's clear from the emails that we have, that manafort was trying to leverage his position atop the trump campaign to repair his debts with deripaska. we don't know what became of that but the evidence is so highly suggestive. >> i think the comment downing made was striking. was that comment he was it making to emphasize the fact that the mueller investigation is a witch hunt, that mueller investigation has not produced anything concrete, that he's taking his sweet time and went and maybe a lenient sentence. and he was still communicating and we can't -- and there was no collusion between manafort and kremlin officials. >> thank you both.