for two things: one, to go after those around the president who may have committed crimes, and two, to build a case, if they have one -- i don't think they have one at the moment, but they're trying to build one against the president for when he leaves office. >> katie, do you think there's enough evidence right now to indict a sitting president? because we know that the fdny has established that the president is an unindicted co-conspirator. >> you have an excellent point, alex, by that exact statement, that we know during cohen's plea colloquy, when he pled guilty last year, that president trump is that unindicted co-conspirator when it comes to specifically the campaign finance violations, that donald trump just seems to be unable to avoid. i mean, we saw those checks that were presented by michael cohen last week to members of congress indicating that during the course of the presidency, donald trump paid michael cohen at least $35,000 via a personal check. but what's important about this is the fact that if the mueller