special clearance over the objection of others. we now that's not true, there's memos moralizing from don mcgahn and john kelly. so a spokesperson for abbe lowell says the following, in 2018, white house and security clearance officials affirmed that mr. kushner's security clearance was handled in the regular process with no pressure from anyone. that was conveyed to the media at the time and if news stories, if accurate, do not change what was affirmed at the time. meaning, we lied, and just because it's now true doesn't mean that we didn't lie. what the hell kind of a statement is that? because, again, if you want to deconstruct the administrative state, it starts with deconstruct the way you think and the way you perceive reality. >> okay, but is it that strategic? >> yes! >> or are they just hustlers who are caught? >> well, even hustlers have strategy. >> that's true. that's true. michael cohen showed that on the stand. a canny hustler. >> particularly when they're in an environment where they don't have absolute control on every inch of the outcome, which is one of donald trump's biggest frustrations, is he doesn't know