of people with security clearances who have to open up their lives, who have to show their financial records, who have to follow the rules to keep a security clearance, when the people at the top can abuse that privilege, you know, at will. and so i think there's a lot of people working for this president, working for this administration who really feel that they're part of an unfair process. >> malcolm, the fact that the president is out there saying i didn't do what sources inside the trump administration are saying he did do, this is not going to come as a surprise to anyone. this is something that it seems the country has already just figured into the process, that there's really no chance donald trump would tell the truth about something like this. >> no. well, donald trump, you know, plays this active measure sort of old communist trick. the fog of unknowability that served vladimir putin so well. i didn't do this. i never said that. but if i did, i'm president, i could do it. well, which one is it?