something very, very big. >> i don't mean to be sort of -- there is part of me that thinks what does it matter, the president can give him any bit of information that he wants to give him because he can declassify item by item as well. >> absolutely. now look -- >> so if he is a security risk, he is a security risk regardless of whether you give him the clearance or not. >> that's right. and there has to be clarity in the system. you have to know which meetings that he can go into. he is working in the west wing and he can't see the pdb. >> but every day could the president say he is cleared to read the pdb? >> i think constitutionally he can. as a practical matter, it would cause so much confusion in the system. but what is even more concerning is that he is out there negotiating middle east peace. he will walk into a meeting with mbs and he won't be able to hear gina haspel's report about what happened with the saudis. >> well, that is a good point to end it on. jeremy bash, good it sto see yo.