trump directly into that camera. >> i saw what i've, seeing over the last couple of years. what the public has seen is basically the old clips. >> that's all i know. >> look, michael cohen was trump's kind of thuggy lawyer and did dishonest things, and his explanation, which is the real explanation if you know michael personal, if you know donald personally, he was in the glow. he went from being a taxicab attorney to trump's attorney on his lapel pin. that's intoxicating. he's described it as a cult. that doesn't excuse, but it explains a lot of his behavior. what i saw over the last couple of years is a guy who knows he did wrong things and says, wait a second, i'm the guy taking the fall? look what's happening in the world here. the very thing that we are -- our heads almost explode about every night. imagine if you are becoming aware of that, you realized you were a part of it, a piece of it, you're paying the consequences while the other guy is circling in air force one. and i saw i guy who would break