no one at this point will say anything positive about donald trump. >> it's true. they did not affirmatively defend the man. what they did is attack michael cohen's credibility. but they did not defend the character of the man that he was speaking about today. >> that's all they have left. >> what do you -- here's my question, i guess. i always wonder how conscious he is of the law and of skirting it. people describe this sort of mobster mentality, like he doesn't tell you to do something, but he sort of winks winks, nods nods. how conscious is he? >> you want to have a clear answer to that question, and i don't think there is one because he slides back and forth in and out of reality. i think that he -- what really dominates him is the awareness that or the belief that no matter what it is, true, false, right, wrong, criminal, not criminal, he will prevail. and let's be very clear. he has prevailed and prevailed and prevailed until this day. he is teflon until he's not