calling people rats -- when you're talking about a sitting president, that kind of behavior becomes an abuse of authority. under the precedent we have from richard nixon is abuse of the authority is in and of itself is ground for impeachment. we're hearing about a sitting president directly from someone who has known him deeply, personally, and his ways of working and has essentially said those ways continued into the white house. not on every single type of claim, but that this was conversations that he had had with the president in the white house. >> donny, i want to leave some space for you to speak about this any which way you want. this is a friend of yours. he doesn't claim that he did everything the right way. but i wonder how you felt watching chairman cummings who i think does take his role seriously who went out of his way to do some bipartisan outreach and mend fences during the hearing. but when chairman cummings was