also his deputy during the time in ukraine, to transmit polling data to constantine kalimnik, a long-time associate of both of theirs who have been assessed by the fbi to have ties with russia, when they first did that, it was in the spring of 2016, right when trump was wrapping up the republican nomination, right when constantine kalimnik had just been or was preparing to go to new york to meet with associates and he said he hoped to meet with trump as well, and just when manafort was brushing up the campaign to benefit donald trump's presidential campaign, and you could see how potentially -- and we don't know for sure -- but potentially having very detailed polling information that showed how donald trump was polling with various segments of the population in various places. having that could potentially