things develop in the past in your time working in past administrations. can you talk through to the point that julia and charlie are make? the idea this may set up a fight that democrats will have tools in their tool box for if they get the presidency back in 2021? >> the thing we need to remember is this is a desperate act by a president that knows he's lost. you don't start by saying looking around the table and saying bring me everything that's unconstitutional and illegal. let's go with that. this is what you do after you've exhausted all your other option. and so in this case there's going to be clear standing for one house of congress to sue. because they had a debate. he asked for the funding. congress said in. and now he's trying to make an end run around the constitution in order to fund the wall. it's a pretty clear case. i'd anticipate you'd see a legal suit brought relatively quickly after he attempts to move this money. >> that said, pete williams made the point the president has a