state legislature might actually have to begin impeachment proceedings against him, and that is permitted of a statewide elected official. and the reasons for that could be dereliction of duty, improper behavior, which i think all of that falls under this category. >> and john, i want to bring you in to touch on what jen was talking about. northam has lost support of just about everyone, mark warner, congressman bobby scott, dnc chair scott perez, they are all among those who have joined in on calls for him to step down yesterday. so if pressuring him to resign does not work, what are the chances that the next step will be state impeachment proceedings? can you talk about that one? >> virginia is actually one of the states where it's very tough to recall a governor. it's one of eight states that have tough laws in terms of making it a difficult thing for citizens to do, but it is something that's possible. it's one of the reasons i point to what i said earlier, his inability to actually do the job. no one will be willing to work