being southern is not an excuse, being white is not an excuse, being a white male southerner is not an excuse. we should demand better of our people as allies with people of color >> before we go, it is very true what tim is saying, that we really can't excuse it. this is where charlottesville happened. now he's going to be the governor of a state that we will mark as the 400th anniversary of where enslaved blacks were first brought to this country in 1619. he's going to be the governor preside over this. what will happen, what can happen in the house of delegates if he does not resign? will there be moves to remove him? >> i can tell you this. just to go back to something i heard earlier, i want to be clear that the virginia