d.c. that actually is setting federal precedent and the states have to uphold real laws and we need to do that without governor northam. >> what you're saying is the tip of a very large iceberg. a gargantuan one that we're living through at the moment. and to robert, because you know politics here in virginia, after seeing this i would like to get your thoughts since you do cover politics in virginia? and i would also like to get your thought on the question we're all asking, what is the heart of robert northam? who is he based on what he was trying to put forward today, not a lot of people believing he did a great job and if anything he opened the door even wider in terms of that question. >> well, this is such a huge surprise to so many people in virginia because ralph northam had a reputation of a soft-spoken, straight shooter moderate and he had been an army officer and a poed -- a pediatrician.