>> marall of them roger has this wonderful tattoo of richard nixon's head on his back when i interviewed him in 2008, he was promoting to me trump a presidential candidate of course he immediately starts with stories of being in a strip club with various escorts he played a role in taking down elliot spitzer when he was governor he loves to be known as a dirty trickster. he revels in that. he walks into rooms and says is there anyone here i can spin before reporters >> the $50,000 question or $50 million question is will he turn on trump i'll give you each of you the chance to answer that question when it comes to it, the showman ship and showing his stomach he does all of that showmanship today, looking buoyant, but in the end when faced with real jail time, will he turn on donald trump >> i suspect he will but i could be proven wrong