what would she do to allow the wall? she wouldn't take anything for the wall >> seems like she won't give any extra money for the wall whatsoever. she wants total victory and for trump to give up what he considers his only leverage, which is to continue the shutdown. it's intractable. >> keep in mind, this is the initial clash that sets up the next two years, right? and so it's hard for anybody to back down from this >> i think this government shutdown is staying shut down. thank you, eugene swan? >> eugene swan. >> coming up, what anger is driving trump voters to want a wall? what would martin luther king jr. think of that wall. you're watching "hardball." g "h.