illegal immigration among those immigration hawks support president donald trump. that's the irony here, steve. the campaign e-mail today i think a lot of people reacted to that, saw that as being in poor taste. we're in the middle of a government shutdown that is now reaching its 29th day, 800,000 federal workers are about to go through their second pay period without a paycheck. here the trump campaign is fundraising off this. i don't think it was necessarily the right time for a campaign fund-raising email to be sent out, for them to be trying to fill their coffers, and it certainly belongs in the category that lindsey graham called sophomoric behavior when he was talking about things like the president's decision to ground speaker pelosi's plane and now this fund-raising email that was sent out earlier this afternoon. >> john, one of the things that strikes me as you look back on past shutdowns and you look at the polling divides about who to blame, 1995, 2013 over obamacare. the numbers we see now when you