decided that opposing president trump comes before the security of our borders. so here we are, mr. president, day 24 because the speaker of the house has decided that enforcing our own laws is now immoral. >> president trump started this shutdown. he's the person continuing it. the fact that president trump refuses to consider our proposal l means that he's holding the government and the american people hostage as a political tactic. >> let's talk about it. with us here in new york, former republican member of congress from the state of jolly. in d.c., nancy cook, white house political reporter foradvantage. you get to go first. how does this end? there this is a different shutdown scenario than we've seen. democrats are doing something very intriguing we haven't seen particularly during two years of donald trump's administration. they're ignoring the president. and it's working. the numbers confirm that the
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