but roger and karol know a lot about the business and he's still learning. >> i know about the airbuses and all that kind of cool stuff, but i don't know how many times i've put a model in and roger said, wait a second, in 1972, this model had this transition, and so the engines are different and i'm like what are you talking about? if you're up to me. >> though there's been a change in control. a lot of kidnap trues don't know it's fa and feign. they keep being asked, which roger? there's only wuj raejer. >> they want to get this transition right. >> when you have a business of your own, you never lose side of the fact in our particular case you have 25 families depending upon us for our livelihood and that's important. >> despite the ups and downs along the way, roger and carol