roosevelt, of course, when he was younger was seen as a bit of a delatant and that churchill quote, when winston is right he's right and when he's wrong oh, my god. >> exactly. >> oh, my god. and both were quite human but when history required it, john, both stood up. >> they heard the music of history in their heads. i was fortunate when writing the book years ago to get to know mary churchill somes who was churchill's youngest child, a marvelous woman. her great insight was that sitting with papa and president roosevelt was like sitting between two lions roaring at the same time. and that's the marvelous