patrols, other security measures, cameras, surveillance, satellites, than it would be to actually build a physical wall. but trump is hung up on the wall because it is his gut instinct, it is tappingible, something you can visit, something you can see. he really wants to promise that delivery right to his base. i think what is striking here is how he's such an outsider, this is the way his running for re-election, i think his theme for re-election is i am an outsider, i am not part of washington. i am here to blow things up, to shut down the government if needs be to fight for what is going to help you guys even if the reality is that's not really actually helping his base. the wall is not smart. but again it is about 79 toic, showmanship, and that's what this president is best at. >> jay, this president talking about the wall left and right and specifically citing a wall now in this tweet talking about a lunch come up with a large group concerning border

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