favorite southerner. at least my favorite southerner who is on television with us right now. phil and jill are back. phil, all the lies, the lies, the lies, so many lies. are they finally starting to catch up with the president in the view of the people around the president? >> i mean, they are, john, but they've been there from day one. this president has told so many falsehoods. such a difficult, fragile relationship to the truth that my colleagues at "the washington post" fact checked or had to create a whole new category this month. there is now the bottom list pinocchio which is for lies or falsehoods or misstatements that have been made so many times that it exceeds the normal count of pinocchios. and that's been awarded to trump. he's the only one who has received them. this is a problem for the president. it's something his aides and his outside advisers recognize. and it's becoming even more problematic from a legal standpoint because we now have the situation with the payoffs.