and what's fake is the -- >> right. it's manufactured. you are talking to somebody who disagreed with george bush's policies who remains offended by the willie horton ad, as really -- that was an independent ad, you know. >> it was a diluted version. >> it was really bad. but who longs for the ability to look at someone who doesn't share your politics and see. but this is basically a decent person. this is a person i can talk to. this is a person with whom we could perhaps work something out. not a mortal lifetime enemy with whom i can't even converse. >> gene is so right, and this is what the founders wanted.