especially in the world war ii generation that we had, working for the family, not for themselves. no ego, just working for the family and being sort of true to the family. bill never had anything like that. and i think he suffered from it, knowing what a man should do when he grows up. what do you think? >> no, i think you're right. and i think, you know, the whole experience, niccole, you know this, the atmosphere there of warmth and family is something that bill clinton -- i'm not surprised he would practically drop in unannounced, ride on fidelity. it was an interesting relationship. to the point that when clinton started having heart trouble, it was bush 41 looking after his medical care and assuring doctors it would be okay for them to fly to a funeral of a pope, make sure his health is not jeopardized by this.