about it. the one thing that's standing out to me now is the white house has got to be pretty nervous. because, you know, there is no joint defense agreement with flynn, nor should there be because he's cooperating. but the white house has broken rules with manafort. but there is no defense agreement, so they realize he's given substantial assistance and they don't know what it is. the one person that comes up time and time again is kushner. there's discussion of the sanctions, there's setting up of the backchannel, the u.n. motion on israel's settlements. all of that happened with flynn and with kushner. now we know that robert mueller believes flynn, and he's been helpful. he's brought other people in to cooperate. he's brought documents. he has e-mails and he's shared it all. were i kushner, i would be on the phone to my friend abby lowell right now saying, uh-oh. >> glen, i heard it said on this