the iceberg theory, how much of this investigation is visible versus below the surface of the water. in answering it, imagining tonight you're on the trump west wing legal team. what must that feel like? they have some idea of what's been assembled against them. >> yeah, because paul manafort helped hand some of the confidential information to them. >> you want to be technical about it, sure. >> and they were surprised, according to news reports, they didn't know that michael cohen had been having all those conversations. so, when they answered those questions of robert mueller's, they had some sense from manafort about what they were -- what mueller was getting. they didn't know -- they had to know he was cooperating some way obviously, but they didn't know the amount of time he was spending with them and they seem to have been surprised. so what they are sitting there worried about is did we sufficiently cover our tracks in how vaguely we answered those