things as a professor matter? >> i think it would be unusual if the facts as reported are true. as i said, there has already been a very careful vetting of the validity of the turkish government's request, and this is maybe not even a second bite of the apple, but a third or fourth bite of the apple. so it appears they are trying to create a pretext under some sort of facts to eject mr. gulen out of the united states in order to play indicate the erdogan regime, to soothe the current hostility toward the saudi government in order to appease a regime that our own intelligence community allege has committed one of the grossest human rights atrocities in human memory. >> david lofton, it's always an honor to have you here, sir. thanks for your time tonight. >> thank you, rachel. >> the framing that mr. loughman put on there, if you combine