states. but i suspect the future, and i suspect the next democratic president, will probably win wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania. that is possible. but i think our future lies in playing offense in arizona, texas, and georgia. >> the sun belt, yeah. >> it is. and that is what -- in '16 -- >> that's what you preach. >> that's what i was wanting for us to push. that's the reach. if stacy abrams wins tonight, particularly if she's the sitting governor of georgia, i think hillary lost georgia by 5 points. it's not that far a reach. that's the future. >> imagine a democratic party that has gill blum and abrams as governor but not phil bretti son and claire mccaskill as senators. what message does that send in the sun belt? does that change, hugging the middle is maybe not the best way? >> yeah, partly i think it will be an electoral realignment where arizona and georgia come in play for the democrats and theoretically, maybe, if