about this. i mean at the time was saying i was the go-to guy, i knew stuff. now he's changing it. as joyce says, the story now is i had this one back channel and i was tweeting things that were only publicly known, and now he's got a new back back channel and now daniel -- i mean it literally is like where's waldo with just names of people i've thought of today. of course that's tough for mueller to pin it all down. but if anybody can do it, i guess it's robert mueller. >> joyce, i'm sure you've faced this a prosecutor with various criminals you deal with. and that is people like roger stone lie all the time, including lying about having committed a crime. they sure do like lying having committed a crime because they want to boast to whoever they were talking about. how do you sort that out? >> it's really common. you do it by meticulously putting together information to