that's why she wound up dying. lovely, kind, considerate, warm. you know, it's terrible to think of -- that her last moments she was really a fine person. >> you hadn't known what happened to her until fairly recently, obviously, when the names were released and when you found out from friends and family? >> it was a terrible saturday. i knew people back there in law enforcement enough to know that the scene had to be frozen. you couldn't move anybody because it's a crime scene for about 12 hours. so we were waiting anxiously, and with increasing hopelessness, and then the news was released at about 8 pv:00 p. >> harry, i'm sorry for your loss. that must have been an incredibly difficult day. you've agreed to talk about joyce and the broader issues regarding hate speech. ben, the social media landscape has become a part of this. we set this segment up with gab. explain what gab is and how it