that's what this whole ball game is about. >> so, matt, roger stone didn't deny the julian assange working on a pardon for him, which is interesting because roger stone denies having ever talked to julian assange. if i'd ever like to help anybody get a pardon i'd like to have dinner with them or something like that. but roger stone has changed his story many times. here's what he told "the times" in 2017 about russia and the trump campaign. and he later admitted this wasn't true, but here's what he said. >> i didn't talk to anybody who was identifiably russian during the two years running up to this campaign. i'm not sure i did previously either. i very definitely can't think of anybody who might have been a russian without my knowledge. >> all right, subsequently he said that wasn't true. but it isn't hard for thinking people to follow the story of roger stone and this corsi fellow and this shady cast of