and the lewinsky affair, it's not just that it brought that to light and brought it out there and led to impeachment, it was also they believed kavanaugh was one of the chief people around starr that in order to pin bill clinton on this, you had to be as specific as possible in terms of what you brought to light and what you asked him about. of course bill clinton would find a very lawyer leeway to sort of talk his way out of anything where he could be factually accurate even if it was deceptive or misleading in some way. when you look at the starr report that hit the internet in 1998 and some of the most odd portions, whatever term you want to use to describe that, is the handy work of the ken starr team and the handy work of brett kavanaugh. 20 years later, here he is going for the supreme court. >> as i like to remind people on the right, what bork means to you is what starr means to them. >> and susan collins' optimism notwithstanding, i think the paybacks are just going to get