roy cohn who was elected by no one, participating in the questioning of witnesses and being rough about it. >> yeah, that's exactly right. there is a precedent for this. and it could politically help republicans if they had an outside counsel. it would give them a little bit of independence from the situation. it would prevent the appearance of an independent investigation. it could create more of a trial setting. it could make it seem like dr. ford is on trial as opposed to sharing her testimony in a hearing setting. so it's very dicey and these are all the dynamics that the republican leadership, especially mitch mcconnell who is trying to protect his senate majority in the election seven weeks from now, are grappling with at this hour. >> jeremy from the mccarthy hearings fast forward to the present day, you last wrote a piece on the religious right and their involvement in this, and i was taken aback by it. i had to read certain paragraphs twice. i've never claimed to be that