>> in all those words, what did stand out in the words? not to put pressure on you, but i little pressure on you. >> there's one word for example, lodestar which google search found mike pence uses and i'm sure he broke into a cold sweat which wh th when they figured that one out and apparently he hasn't asked the staff because he has such confidence. >> the vice president actually mentioned the word lodestar. that's how he defended the question. >> one of the claims made in the op-ed is that there have been discussions of invoking the 25th amendment to even remove the president from office. have you ever been part of a conversation about that? >> no, never. and why would we be? >> that was actually his statement on the 25th amendment and he also is saying that's another list of what they did not talk about, have not talked