the smallest of people, most of them related to the president. >> yeah, and mueller knows. not just related to the president. the organization is related to the president. this really puts the screws to them in a serious way without having to deal with the authority questions of criminal liability. if between mueller and sdny and new york da and new york ad they're coming at the financial empire, possible civil rico charges, that's serious pressure even though it's not criminal. >> and that persists regardless of what happens to mueller. >> that's right. in parallel right now. that's part of the significance of that report today. it didn't end with michael cohen and sdmy is still on the case. got to make you think hard. great to have you both. >> thank you. >> thanks. >> for more on today's developments and the president's bad week, i'm joined by