man in the room you can well imagine that if the other things that are described in the book truly occurred, that he would have taken the actions or not taken the actions, so in the case of eliminating assad from the face of the earth, it's easy to imagine that he would have ignored such a suggestion on the part of the president. >> does that happen, evelyn? like, if you think back in history, obviously, you pick a cabinet secretary because they either have some expertise, particularly in defense, in an area, so you want their counsel, but does it ever happen that somebody slow walks something or doesn't wan something that the president actually wants done? >> absolutely, all the time. so that's not unusual. and it wasn't as if it was an order that was given by him, a written order signed by the president. that would be, frankly speaking, unconstitutional, treasonous if he disobeyed the president in that fashion. but, so, in the case of overlooking, slow rolling, you know, that happens all the time. i think the thing to remember with secretary mattis is that