this was really -- i do want to point out john kerry brought up something very important. yes, white working class voters in those industrial midwest states, there were people that voted for barack obama twice and then voted for donald trump. but you look at the turn out and how low it was, it wasn't so much who voted for donald trump, but who stayed home and did not vote for hillary clinton. >> exactly. >> and 2018, it all depends on who gets out and vote and will those who stayed home in 2016 understand they have a reason to get off the couch and drive down to their local elementary school and cast a vote for a candidate? >> that's the question. heidi, thank you very much. we'll be reading your new reporting for nbcnews.com how the family separation crisis at the border is now helping fuel a