the beginning. >> donald trump treated all points of his personal empire -- personal expenses, company, charity -- as one big pot of money and the person who oversaw all that pot of money was allen weisselberg. he would bring in checks individually for donald trump to sign. he didn't have a lot of executive responsibility, but he had a lot of administrative responsibilities, he handled the ins and outs of the money. if i was to pick one person besides donald trump sr. that was integral to the operation of the trump organization it would be allen weisselberg, it wouldn't be don or eric, it would be allen weisselberg. >> interesting. we're trying to get to the bottom of how valuable weisselberg is to investigators. given what you know about how the trump organization works -- and it's a little unorthodox, not like corporations, some of it feels like a corporation, some feels like something else, what's your sense of how the reimbursement to michael cohen would have worked? obviously as you say weisselberg would have been involved but would he have had to get approval from someone else? would there have been more