of the reasons they are going for sessions to be pushed out is because rosenstein has not been answering their subpoenas and sessions has shown that he has no real authority -- >> recused himself? >> he fully recused himself. he didn't have to fully recuse himself from the entire investigation. that's the issue. that's why i was quite surprised on your reporting there. >> i think it's interesting that the talking point against what michael cohen is saying is that this has nothing to do with russia as if the president can -- it only matters that the president committed that crime and the other crimes he may or may not have committed, that's nothing. >> on the campaign finance, he pled guilty to that. that has not been adjudicated. i can make a sound argument -- >> the moment he walked into the court he pled guilty and the judge accepted it. period. end of story. >> he didn't have a jury of peers -- >> but he pled guilty. >> the judge accepted his testimony and allocution in court. i was there. >> there was something like 20