scheme. but i think i also hear you saying you had a bunch of jurors sitting around talking about politics? >> it was more subtle than that. >> okay. >> she said in discussions over the course of a two-week trial, you get a sense of someone's politics. that's what she explained to me. i think this is so interesting because, look, a lot of what this juror, paula duncan, believes about the mueller investigation -- and she said she doesn't follow it very closely. a lot of it may be mistaken. she thinks it's a witch hunt. it shows somebody like that can be persuaded. she sat through a 12-day trial. and she agreed, despite her political views, he was guilty and voted to convict him. i find that fascinating. >> i also find it quite dilania. a live look outside that san diego county courthouse where protesters are gathering as republican congressman duncan hunter and his wife were being arraigned on charges he misused roughly $250,000 in campaign
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