>> maybe it may be true. but the problem is you're trying to pin down something that can't be pinned down. you need to know where he's at. and intent is so important here. i think aaron touched on this earlier. the revocation of brennan's security clearance is a new angle here, and the president is getting into more dangerous ground. i think we're all familiar with the concept of obstruction of justice. what i don't think know if everybody understands is it's also a federal crime to retaliate against somebody who's a witness. i don't know if brennan quite qualifies as a witness. he's more of an investigator. but keep in mind if the president follows through with his threats to pull comey's clearance. clearance comey will be a crucial witness here. and it's a federal crime 1513, if anyone wants to look it up, to retaliate against someone to -- or who provided truthful information to law enforcement. so he's getting closer and closer to dangerous ground here. >> terrific point. first time someone's made it. our thanks to you all. we'll have you all back. coming up there have been questions from the manafort jury.