>> and at the time when you were kids and teenagers did you realize that detroit was the place that was going to change american music? >> no, man. if i'd known that i would have put a whole lot of money -- no, none of us knew that, man. the great thing about detroit for us and this wasn't necessarily true for a reason, because aretha was never a motown artist, but she was in that family. she was motown because she was in our family. but the great thing about detroit music-wise, man, if we were to get off an another subject here is that every city, every country, every township, every little village where ratio-wise in the world probably has that same amount of talent that you saw come out of detroit. what we had was barry gordy, man, someone who started