president's purposes with this book because she -- i mean, there is only one person, maybe other than rudy giuliani, who has less credibility than the president. so, for someone with that little credibility then to attack the president somewhat enhances his standing. it creates the soap opera type of dramas, the play as you said, on which trump thrives. if she becomes a witness for mueller, she's a tainted witness. she's a dubious witness. so all of this in a sense serves in a kind of medicine served the president's purposes of creating a soap opera-like distraction from what really ought to be concerning us, which is the state of the country and america's relationship with the rest of the world. >> we know trump doesn't care about that. what i find so of intriguing about her recording with kelly isn't that she recorded it. people have been -- of course you don't take phones into the sit room, no one does. obviously they do. they seem to do everything other than -- >> you don't fire anybody in the sit room. >> that's what i was going to