government in a democracy. there's a difference between active engagement on a candidate and finding information no matter where it's coming from geographically. >> if the only thing that came out of this trump tower meeting, don junior had an e-mail exchange offered dirt, says, i love it, but nothing actually comes out of it. do you think that is example and evidence of collusion? >> i'm not a lawyer. collusion is not a crime, conspiracy is. if you are working willingly with agents who are committing a crime, which the russia people would be doing and you're a willing participant saying, i would love it. i think there's a conspiracy there. >> you think that's enough? >> you can be guilty of a conspiracy even if you do not effectuate the crime. >> you think that's enough? >> i'm not a lawyer but i think you can be guilty of a conspiracy even if the crime doesn't take place.
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